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	Comments on: June 25th &#8211; 109 Ossington Community Consultation &#8211;  Meeting Reminder	</title>
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		By: Jessica Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1441</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1182&quot;&gt;sol_chrom&lt;/a&gt;.

Ummm... didn&#039;t you give the event just that kind of coverage, Sol?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1182">sol_chrom</a>.</p>
<p>Ummm&#8230; didn&#8217;t you give the event just that kind of coverage, Sol?</p>
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		By: Jessica Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1440</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1184&quot;&gt;boooozilla&lt;/a&gt;.

To start, we agree that some of the earlier flyers were a bit rhetorically overblown.  We are new to this local activism thing, and are still finding our feet; hence the much mellower tone of our &#039;Let&#039;s talk about Ossington&#039; flyer---people can decide for themselves about whether to support the proposed development, on the basis of the facts.  

Still, thanks to these ubiquitous posters, as well as heavy engagement with both business owners, the Portuguese community (which included a mailbox flyer in Portuguese and door-to-door canvassing with my Portuguese neighbor), the Givins-Shaw school community, and more generally reaching out to all those who appreciate Ossington&#039;s presently wonderful business district and neighborhood vibe, we had one of the biggest turnouts ever for a Community Consultation meeting---500+ people.  Randy of Beaconsfield Residents Association said &quot;It was the one meeting you had to be at in the last 7 years&quot;.  Councillor Mike Layton explicitly said that if we was trying to get our point across, we were completely successful.  

Moreover, Layton has responded to the overwhelming show of community opposition to the proposal by promising to immediately initiate an &#039;Area Study&#039; of Ossington, as directed by Policy 3 of the &#039;Healthy Neighborhoods&#039; Section of the Official Plan, when &quot;significant intensification&quot; threatens to negatively impact neighborhoods or otherwise destablilize the community area.  And dedicated City Planner Francis Kwashie, who is legally obliged to take community opinion into account, heard everyone loud and clear.

This meeting was a huge success for the Community at large.  Thanks again to Ossington Village for helping to get the word out!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1184">boooozilla</a>.</p>
<p>To start, we agree that some of the earlier flyers were a bit rhetorically overblown.  We are new to this local activism thing, and are still finding our feet; hence the much mellower tone of our &#8216;Let&#8217;s talk about Ossington&#8217; flyer&#8212;people can decide for themselves about whether to support the proposed development, on the basis of the facts.  </p>
<p>Still, thanks to these ubiquitous posters, as well as heavy engagement with both business owners, the Portuguese community (which included a mailbox flyer in Portuguese and door-to-door canvassing with my Portuguese neighbor), the Givins-Shaw school community, and more generally reaching out to all those who appreciate Ossington&#8217;s presently wonderful business district and neighborhood vibe, we had one of the biggest turnouts ever for a Community Consultation meeting&#8212;500+ people.  Randy of Beaconsfield Residents Association said &#8220;It was the one meeting you had to be at in the last 7 years&#8221;.  Councillor Mike Layton explicitly said that if we was trying to get our point across, we were completely successful.  </p>
<p>Moreover, Layton has responded to the overwhelming show of community opposition to the proposal by promising to immediately initiate an &#8216;Area Study&#8217; of Ossington, as directed by Policy 3 of the &#8216;Healthy Neighborhoods&#8217; Section of the Official Plan, when &#8220;significant intensification&#8221; threatens to negatively impact neighborhoods or otherwise destablilize the community area.  And dedicated City Planner Francis Kwashie, who is legally obliged to take community opinion into account, heard everyone loud and clear.</p>
<p>This meeting was a huge success for the Community at large.  Thanks again to Ossington Village for helping to get the word out!</p>
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		By: Tempers Flare at Community Consultation on Ossington Condos &#124; news &#124; Torontoist		</title>
		<link>https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1185</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tempers Flare at Community Consultation on Ossington Condos &#124; news &#124; Torontoist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] meeting, promoted heavily via neighbourhood flyers, local announcements, and Ward 19 Councillor Mike Layton&#8217;s website, drew a capacity crowd to the Trinity-Bellwoods [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] meeting, promoted heavily via neighbourhood flyers, local announcements, and Ward 19 Councillor Mike Layton&#8217;s website, drew a capacity crowd to the Trinity-Bellwoods [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jessica Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1187</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1184&quot;&gt;boooozilla&lt;/a&gt;.

To be a &quot;Nimby&quot; is to be someone who rejects a project that would 
enhance the public good just because it would interfere with some aspect
 of your pleasure.  What is the public good that the introduction of 
MIDRISE development with chain store retail is supposed to bring about? 
 One might suppose that the need for growth is the public good in 
question.  But growth is a public good only if it is smart.  Alll sound 
planning principles---enshrined in Toronto&#039;s Official Plan---say that 
growth should be appropriately integrated into existing built form, and 
should not negatively impact abutting neighborhoods.  The introduction 
of MIDRISE development with chain store retail would not be good growth,
 since it would (a) drastically depart from existing built form on 
Ossington, and (b) drastically negatively impact dozens of residential 
homes, not to mention raise serious safety concerns (see Smart Growth 
for Ossington&#039;s remarks on the 109OZ proposal for details).  Moreover, 
the call for growth---that is, good growth, that does not cause more 
problems than it solves---can be answered while staying within the 
LOWRISE by-law limits---there is double or even triple the room for 
additional density within these limits.  On Ossington, we have not 
outgrown the by-law.  There is no good reason to go MIDRISE on 
Ossington, and many good reasons to STAY LOWRISE.  Sorry, that&#039;s not 
quite correct.  Some people would stand to make millions of dollars by 
air-dropping a MIDRISE condo onto LOWRISE Ossington.  But that&#039;s not a 
public good.  To resist the imposition of development whose only real 
motivation is profit---not the public good---and which would drastically
 negatively impact both business and residential communities is not 
NIMBY-ism.  It is common sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1184">boooozilla</a>.</p>
<p>To be a &#8220;Nimby&#8221; is to be someone who rejects a project that would<br />
enhance the public good just because it would interfere with some aspect<br />
 of your pleasure.  What is the public good that the introduction of<br />
MIDRISE development with chain store retail is supposed to bring about?<br />
 One might suppose that the need for growth is the public good in<br />
question.  But growth is a public good only if it is smart.  Alll sound<br />
planning principles&#8212;enshrined in Toronto&#8217;s Official Plan&#8212;say that<br />
growth should be appropriately integrated into existing built form, and<br />
should not negatively impact abutting neighborhoods.  The introduction<br />
of MIDRISE development with chain store retail would not be good growth,<br />
 since it would (a) drastically depart from existing built form on<br />
Ossington, and (b) drastically negatively impact dozens of residential<br />
homes, not to mention raise serious safety concerns (see Smart Growth<br />
for Ossington&#8217;s remarks on the 109OZ proposal for details).  Moreover,<br />
the call for growth&#8212;that is, good growth, that does not cause more<br />
problems than it solves&#8212;can be answered while staying within the<br />
LOWRISE by-law limits&#8212;there is double or even triple the room for<br />
additional density within these limits.  On Ossington, we have not<br />
outgrown the by-law.  There is no good reason to go MIDRISE on<br />
Ossington, and many good reasons to STAY LOWRISE.  Sorry, that&#8217;s not<br />
quite correct.  Some people would stand to make millions of dollars by<br />
air-dropping a MIDRISE condo onto LOWRISE Ossington.  But that&#8217;s not a<br />
public good.  To resist the imposition of development whose only real<br />
motivation is profit&#8212;not the public good&#8212;and which would drastically<br />
 negatively impact both business and residential communities is not<br />
NIMBY-ism.  It is common sense.</p>
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		By: boooozilla		</title>
		<link>https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1184</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boooozilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The community already looks &quot;angry and reactive&quot; thanks to the tone of those ubiquitous posters. The &quot;Keep Ossington Real&quot; campaign smacks of newly arrived yuppy NIMBYs, riding their wave of self-entitled gentrification. The many valid concerns are diluted by &quot;frat house&quot; comparisons and subjective design critiques. A few Portuguese posters could have gone a long way in strengthening the communal voice. That said, 109OZ. should be restricted to 3 stories, no question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The community already looks &#8220;angry and reactive&#8221; thanks to the tone of those ubiquitous posters. The &#8220;Keep Ossington Real&#8221; campaign smacks of newly arrived yuppy NIMBYs, riding their wave of self-entitled gentrification. The many valid concerns are diluted by &#8220;frat house&#8221; comparisons and subjective design critiques. A few Portuguese posters could have gone a long way in strengthening the communal voice. That said, 109OZ. should be restricted to 3 stories, no question.</p>
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		By: Jessica Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1183</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, it&#039;s strange that members of the community are not allowed to use visual media, Sol.  I asked and argued for the right to do this, as required to appropriately communicate certain points I would like to make; more generally, I always use PowerPoint presentations when giving talks, since it&#039;s much more efficient and leads to better audience comprehension than the spoken word alone.  I was denied, met with the &quot;well, this is how we always do it&quot; response.  I&#039;m planning on pressuring the Planning dept. to change this in future: surely community members should be allowed to use modern expressive resources when providing input.  Meanwhile, your point about keeping it chill is very well taken.

Also relevant to Sol&#039;s comment, and to the meeting more generally, is preparing in advance for what you want to say.  It might be better to focus on one particular issue and develop that point in some (concise) detail, rather than try to hit every point that might be made about the proposal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s strange that members of the community are not allowed to use visual media, Sol.  I asked and argued for the right to do this, as required to appropriately communicate certain points I would like to make; more generally, I always use PowerPoint presentations when giving talks, since it&#8217;s much more efficient and leads to better audience comprehension than the spoken word alone.  I was denied, met with the &#8220;well, this is how we always do it&#8221; response.  I&#8217;m planning on pressuring the Planning dept. to change this in future: surely community members should be allowed to use modern expressive resources when providing input.  Meanwhile, your point about keeping it chill is very well taken.</p>
<p>Also relevant to Sol&#8217;s comment, and to the meeting more generally, is preparing in advance for what you want to say.  It might be better to focus on one particular issue and develop that point in some (concise) detail, rather than try to hit every point that might be made about the proposal.</p>
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		By: sol_chrom		</title>
		<link>https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1182</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sol_chrom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi folks:

My understanding is that only the planner and the developer will be allowed to make formal presentations. Members of the community and concerned citizens will be allowed to comment and ask questions afterward, but there is no provision for actual deputations. This is not Mike&#039;s idea, it&#039;s just the way the city planning department does things. 

A dreadful cynic might suggest that the setup is pretty much designed to make ordinary members of the public look angry and reactive. It&#039;s not an ideal way to forge collaborative relationships, and it&#039;s got the potential for confrontation and volatile tempers. The kind of coverage that generates could be more harmful than helpful, so it might be worth keeping that in mind going in.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks:</p>
<p>My understanding is that only the planner and the developer will be allowed to make formal presentations. Members of the community and concerned citizens will be allowed to comment and ask questions afterward, but there is no provision for actual deputations. This is not Mike&#8217;s idea, it&#8217;s just the way the city planning department does things. </p>
<p>A dreadful cynic might suggest that the setup is pretty much designed to make ordinary members of the public look angry and reactive. It&#8217;s not an ideal way to forge collaborative relationships, and it&#8217;s got the potential for confrontation and volatile tempers. The kind of coverage that generates could be more harmful than helpful, so it might be worth keeping that in mind going in.</p>
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		By: Melinda		</title>
		<link>https://ossingtonvillage.com/2012/06/june-25th-109-ossington-community-consultation-meeting-reminder/#comment-1181</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melinda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And tweet with the hashtag if you DO make it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And tweet with the hashtag if you DO make it!</p>
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